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Gavros
3:03 Wed Apr 8
Re: Ed Miliband
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"under EU law, there is nothing any government can do re immigration"
Well actually that's not true, is it? Free movement of people within the EU is required, but the EU has little bearing on non-EU policy, apart from appeal to the ECHR. Stiffen non-EU immigration (which is generally where the poorest quality economic migrants come from) and you significantly alleviate the pressure on the system. Even in this realm the UK is seeing relatively few immigrants (as opposed to, say, Germany).
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ashikodi
2:59 Wed Apr 8
Re: Ed Miliband
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Gavros, that is ill informed rubbish. Scare mongering at its best(worst).
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Prometheus50
2:58 Wed Apr 8
Re: Ed Miliband
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but under EU law, there is nothing any government can do re immigration That is part of the great deal signed by Gordon Brown and supported by the Conservatives in 2009 which allows the EU to make a shambolic holy mess of a country through austerity etc just to hold the project together, and then pretend all is well because people can up sticks from this wastelands and move to any part of the EU they like The EU obfuscate the full scale of their bungling incompetence whilst the rest bear the brunt of the increased cost to take more people in
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Iron2010
2:52 Wed Apr 8
Re: Ed Miliband
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Food banks
Zero hour contracts
Vote Scotland
Vote labour
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Gavros
2:36 Wed Apr 8
Re: Ed Miliband
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We own nothing assets sold to Foreigners, Education is in a mess, NHS and GP again in a mess, continued immigration, downsized armed forces, failing utilities and transport, low affordable housing
All helped by LABOUR governments, and indeed as has been pointed out, the difference between the Tories and labour is in reality marginal, rather than the ideological gulf of the mid 20th century. The cumulative actions of both Labour and Tory governments is responsible for the mess in a number of key areas, and you really cant disentagle them to apportion blame to just one. Hence your belief that the tories are at root to blame for everything that's wrong in this country is just laughable.
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The Kronic
2:33 Wed Apr 8
Re: Ed Miliband
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RM10 2:26
They've sold us out that's what. As did Thatcher's 'greatest legacy' New Labour.
Let's look at Camerbot's last 5 years though.
Massive increase in net immigration,
huge increase in borrowing, painfully slow growth, bedroom tax, food banks, zero contract hours, increased NHS waiting lists, more NHS hospitals/wards/centres closed, botched up NHS reform costing taxpayers billions, tax cuts for the top 1% earners, yet another Tory VAT increase, tuition fees..........
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RM10
2:26 Wed Apr 8
Re: Ed Miliband
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So Gavros and 8 What have the Tories done for this country apart from making the few more wealthy and some tax saving.
We own nothing assets sold to Foreigners, Education is in a mess, NHS and GP again in a mess, continued immigration, downsized armed forces, failing utilities and transport, low affordable housing.
All started by the Tories in the first place, Thatcher and Major to be precise, the rest couldnt change it or didnt bother.
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Prometheus50
2:09 Wed Apr 8
Re: Ed Miliband
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In a nutshell, the UK must abrogate any law proposed by national parliament that does not concur with EU law or principles
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BRANDED
2:01 Wed Apr 8
Re: Ed Miliband
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Labour has been great for the underprivileged:
Immigrants
Immigrants dependents
Women
Children
Tube Drivers
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Eddie B
1:53 Wed Apr 8
Re: Ed Miliband
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Please explain, in laymans terms, what the Lisbon Treaty did. Ta.
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Prometheus50
1:49 Wed Apr 8
Re: Ed Miliband
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The greatest act of perfidy by Labour and Conservatives alike was the ratification of the Lisbon Treaty without a referendum first This treaty alone, a disgusting piece of legerdemain by the EU to force through the constitution that was resoundingly rejected by the voters of France and the Netherlands, has taken vast powers away from the national parliaments in favour of faceless meddling civil servants in Brussels accountable to no one
Miliband sees this arrangement as fine by him That is why he doesn't get mine or many like me, vote Cameron I do not trust But an in out referendum they have promised and they must deliver is supported
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alphaharps
1:31 Wed Apr 8
Re: Ed Miliband
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yeah it is a bit strange, barely any difference
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The Kronic
1:24 Wed Apr 8
Re: Ed Miliband
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alphaharps 1:20
This is why I laugh at New Labour and Tory supporters squabbling with each other.
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The Kronic
1:23 Wed Apr 8
Re: Ed Miliband
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I could never vote for Ed Milliband but thankfully we live in a party political democracy, not a presidential one. But then I couldn't vote for those wannabe Tory cunts New Labour either.
My local MPs have fuck all to say so far, so it's looking more and more like another ruined ballot. Most people will vote for whoever they consider less of the two evils. I won't. I'm just thankful there won't be a Tory majority.
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alphaharps
1:20 Wed Apr 8
Re: Ed Miliband
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Here's one, then. The intentional decision to enforce mass migration into this country under the last labour government.
Answe: Tories have carried on with this same policy
Here's another. The decision to go to war with Iraq, championed by Blair, that has led to all sorts of favourable outcomes in the middle east.
Answer: Tories supported the decison to go to war
What about the abolition of the Grammar schools, perhaps the most retrogressive act in education in the 20th century?
Answer: The best thing to happen to this country
Labour's cozying up to the militant tendency in the 70s, and support for far left trade unionism that crippled British industry, leading amongst other things to its long term decline.
Answer: We were in decline anyway. Could do with a bit more union power now. Gone too far the other way
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Russ of the BML
12:07 Wed Apr 8
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The main issue is, policies aside, can anyone vote for Ed Milliband?
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Iron2010
3:52 Wed Apr 8
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Lovely stuff Gavros
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BRANDED
1:32 Wed Apr 8
Re: Ed Miliband
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Yeah
And all those FROG millionaires
taking our million pound homes
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mentor
1:29 Wed Apr 8
Re: Ed Miliband
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alphaharps 11:43 Tue Apr 7
Re: Ed Miliband
Lets fucking hope not. We need millions more eastern Europeans to do all our jobs so that we can just sit around and do nothing, don't we?
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BRANDED
1:26 Wed Apr 8
Re: Ed Miliband
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Labour sucked off the rich
Labour sucked off sherman war mongerers
Labour sucked off Brussels
Labour sucked off eastern Europeans
Labour Sucked off northerners, the Scots, the Welsh
Labour sucked off the work shy
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BRANDED
1:19 Wed Apr 8
Re: Ed Miliband
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Dead sillyband
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